I knew I could sing. I just knew it. And I just had this burning yearning in my heart. That this is, I have to do this. I don't care about anything else. Yeah, like a bolt of lightning. I tried to get other guys to play with me. No one would play with me. This kind of goth, death rock, whatever people want to call this genre, which you were part of, you know, initiating into the world. the world. People would go, I'm not going on after these guys.

I don't want these guys on our bill.

They can't play.

They're horrible.

I mean, they look weird.

What's up with these guys, you know?

There are those artists who, they are the art.

And everybody tries to figure out how to do what they do.

That's me.

Patrick Mata, thank you for being here.

I'm so happy to talk to you today.

It's my pleasure.

So there isn't a ton of information out there about your life.

Maybe that was purposeful.

Some of it.

Some of it.

And I get yelled out about it.

Well, from the point of view of interviewing someone, you know, you kind of start with the cursory, kind of like, you know, the life story. And one thing I saw attributed to you, and I always like to ask as opposed to assume, was this your connection to kind of Dadaism and... There's a big influence on me. Okay, great great so let me start here and then we'll jump in because i'm very curious for your thoughts on this because

when i saw this and then i thought of your work and your life um like it's it put all these pieces

together that maybe i didn't understand before okay so I want to ask you how you came to it

because I came to it from my own direction, but I didn't know you'd come in. Oh, yeah. Okay, so let's start here. Because I, Tristan Zara. Oh, he was, there you go. He was my David Bowie. Okay. Before Bowie. Okay, so let me say a couple things here, and then I want to, of course, I want to hear from you.

So, did you read, it came out fairly recently, the book about Kiki Man Ray. Did you read that book? No, no, I know who she is, of course. Yeah. So it's an expiration of Man Ray's relationship with Kiki, more so from the vantage point of Kiki as opposed to Man Ray, which is very interesting. Did these people speak to her? Well, no, she's long passed away. I know that, but I mean, then there is... It's kind of a re-assit's a, let's call it a deep dive reassessment of her place in the Dada story. Normally she gets kind of cast as a kind of... She was friends of Man Ray, too, right? Well, she

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