I knew I could sing, I just knew it, and I just had this burning yearning in my heart.

That this is, I have to do this.

I don't care about anything else.

Yeah, like a bolt of lightning. I tried to get other guys to play with me, and no one would play with me. This kind of goth, death rock, whatever people want to call this genre, which you were part of, you know, initiating into the world. People would go I'm not going on after these guys. I don't want these guys on our bill

They can't play it a horrible. I mean they look weird. I don't want these guys on our bill. They can't play it.

I'm horrible.

I mean, they look weird. What's up with these guys, you know? There are those artists who they are the art. And everybody tries to figure out how to do what they do. That's me. Patrick Mata, thank you for being here. I'm so happy to talk to you today. That's my pleasure.

So there isn't a ton of information out there

about your life, maybe that was purposeful. Some of it. Some of it. And I get yelled at about it. Well, from the point of view of interviewing someone, you know, you kind of start with the cursory kind of like, you know, the life story. And one thing I saw attributed to, and I always

like to ask, as opposed to assume, was your connection to kind of dot it is, and there's a big influence on me. Okay, great. So let me start here and then we'll jump in. And I'm very curious for your thoughts on this, because when I saw this, and then I thought of your work and your life, like it's, it put all these pieces together that maybe I didn't understand before.

Okay.

So I want to ask you how you came to it,

because I came to it from my own direction. your life, like it's, it put all these pieces together that maybe I didn't understand before.

Okay.

So I want to ask you how you came to it because I came to it from my own direction, but I didn't know you'd come. Oh, yeah. Okay. So, um, so let's start here. Cause I, uh, Tristan Zara, he was, there you go. He was my David Bowie before Bowie. Okay. here and then I want to of course I want to hear from you. So did you read it came out fairly recently,

the book about... Okay, before Bo. Okay, so let me say a couple things here and then and then I want to of course I want to hear from you. So

Did you read it came out fairly recently the book about Kiki Manray? Did you read that? No, I know she is. Yeah, so it's an exploration of man-raised relationship with Kiki more so from the vantage point of Kiki as opposed to Manray which is very interesting to these people speak to her

well no she's long passed away that i didn't get it's kind of a reiss it's a

it's a let's call it a which is very interesting. Did these people speak to her? Well, no, she's long passed away. I know that, but I need to then, there is a...

It's kind of a reass, it's a, let's call it a deep dive reassessment of her place in the data story. Normally, she gets kind of cast as a... She was friends with Man Ray too, right? Well, she was Man Ray's lover. That's what I mean, yeah. and really wanted a Mary-Man Ray.

Their relationship was a lot deeper than I thought,

and I've collected Man Ray photos,

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