If you have your own story of being in a cult or a high control group or if you've had an experience with manipulation or abusive power

You'd like to share. She doesn't email it. Trust me pod at gmail.com

If you think that one person has all the answers

Welcome to trust me the podcast about colds extreme belief in the abusive power from two

Levitators who actually experienced it. I'm a little blunt expert levitator and I am Megan Elizabeth. I am levitating right now. Oh my god

You are yeah, that's so cool. The chair beneath me is an illusion. That seems like a different thing

But today our guests are Patrick Ryan and Joseph Kelly. They are the founders of cult news 101

They have done a lot of work with exa the international cultic studies association and they are highly experienced

Cult interventionists. They're going to talk to us about their own experiences with transcendental meditation or TM early cult

Deprogramming and why it was problematic and what they've learned after years of doing their own cult intervention work

We'll discuss how most people leave cults of their own volition

Why exploring someone's belief is better than attacking them and how sometimes it can be better to let someone hold on to an

untrue world feel. I've freaking loved these guys. I love this episode

I like really desperately want to have them over for dinner and pick their brains and listen to them talk forever

But before we get into it

Megan what's the coolest thing this week for you? Well, I'm just reading right now about a Netflix documentary coming out about some people that we actually

Interviewed which are the LDS this though is the compound down in Texas and it's talking a lot with his son

Windel Jeffs

He had a bunch of moms and they were all the same ages him because he was just marrying his father was marrying younger and younger girls

So then he's saying you're hitting on your mom right and they're like I'm not actually she's just like my age and I don't know

So this documentary it's coming out soon and I'm pretty interested me too

The Mormon offshoot community is so layered and complicated. There's so many different like subsects and

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