This is the reason to interview with Nicholas.

Did you know that just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin separated Joe Biden and Donald Trump from a tie in the Electoral College in 2020?

My guest is Patrick Ruffini, a Republican pollster at Eschelon Insights, an author of Party of the People

inside the multiracial coalition remaking the GOP.

We talk about why the major parties continue to leak market share, why 2024 is going to be

another super close presidential race, and whether small L.

Libertarian voters will make the difference in November. Here is the reason interview with

Patrick Ruffini. Patrick Ruffini, thanks for talking to reason. Thanks, Nick. It's great to be here.

Okay, so a party of the people inside

the multiracial populist coalition remaking the GOP. What's the elevator pitch for it? Yeah, I mean,

I think that it's no secret to anyone that there have been quite a few changes in our politics

over the last decade or so. And, you know, specifically,

a lot of those involve changes in who's voting for the parties and fundamentally who the parties

are for. What do they seem to stand for? So I go back to my early

days in politics, which were at the tail end of an era in which, you know, Democrats were

primarily pitching themselves to voters and to, you know, and receiving the votes of people who were in the

working class. And they really seemed to hold the moral high ground when it came to issues

of who's really going to care about someone like me, an average person, you know, in, in this country?

And, you know, would routinely pillory Republicans as the party of the rich, is the party of the well-to-do, of a disconnected elite.

And I think what we've seen is that has largely flipped, right? And specifically,

it's flipped after 2016, where Democrats, we seem to have a lot of trouble holding on to the

broad mass of working class voters, which are today defined as voters without college degrees.

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