This is the big breakdown. A long look back at some of the biggest stories we're covering for you at the

Hidden Killers podcast and True Crime Today. Today we are digging into a case that has been dissected,

dramatized, and distorted for decades. John Wayne Gasey. But this time it's a little different.

Peacock's new series, Devil in disguise John Wayne Wayne Gacy. It strips back the folklore and gets to the core of what really happened,

how a man with 33 confirmed victims was able to operate in plain sight for years.

To do that, we are joined by series showrunner and executive producer Patrick McManus, actor Michael

Churness, who plays John himself, and attorney Bob Mata, whose father was actually part of Gasey's

original defense team. And I want to set some ground rules for everybody right away. We are going

to have to all speak like your character did Michael in the show

with the kind of northern, oh yeah, folksy accent through the duration of this. So get ready to

step back into it, everybody. I got it out of me after leaving Wisconsin, but I can jive back in.

Is everybody good with that?

Are we good with it?

Okay.

All right.

Yeah, you know, let's start here.

Obviously, this is, the series is coming out on Peacock.

May already be out by the time you're watching this based on the docu series.

Patrick, I want to start with you. What made you think,

hey, let's take the John Wayne Gasey story and let's tell it in a way that no one's done thus

far. Well, to be honest, that was the, first of all, thank you so much for having us. And there's

a reason why I'm a writer, so I will not be trying to do the accent.

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