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Here comes Mr. Thrill Ride himself, Eric Mat, Texas.

Hey there, folks. Welcome on the program. We turn to a very, very serious, important subject right now. I have as my guest, the author of a new book. It's called Understanding Religious Abuse and Recovery. Patrick Knapp joins me now. Patrick, welcome.

Thank you. Thank you, Eric.

I, you know, I always, we all, most of us filter everything through our own stories. And my story

is, in some ways, the opposite of where we're going to go today,

which is, I think, widen's important for us to talk about this, because I typically don't.

My story is that I was raised in a wonderful home. We went to church on Sundays, weren't really

born again, weren't really serious about the Bible.

And I kind of drifted and then found Jesus.

Jesus found me and I was immediately welcomed into a wonderful, wonderful Christian community.

It was St. Paul's Dary in Connecticut, just filled with people who loved God,

who were emotionally healthy and fun, knew the scriptures, were passionate about Jesus.

And that really formed me. And it wasn't until years later that I would bump into people whose experience with the church

had been the opposite of mine, had been tremendously negative. They had been in situations that

you could describe as cults, even though they weren't, they were kind of Christian cults,

very seriously Christian cults, and that kind of thing. And it really stunned me

that these places really existed and that one of the reasons so many people hate the God of the

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