Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host, Tim Miller, delighted to welcome back to the show,

former political director for Barack Obama. He's also, he also was ambassador to South Africa and an informal advisor to New York City's mayor-elect. Zorn Mammani, it's Patrick Gaspard. How you doing, man? I'm good, man. Thank you for, like, putting out my hit list there. Oh, yeah. Well, the people need to know your resume. All right. People need to know that you're legit. We have news to do, but I need to start with this.

We had breakfast a couple months ago when I was in New York, and I learned that your family

is a nickname for me, and I've never felt whiter in my life than hearing your family's

nickname.

So I do want you to share it with the people.

It requires context.

You and I were on some MSNBC show with one another, and you were wearing a Christmas

sweater. And my daughter looked at it and said, it texted me as text and said, Dad, why are you

on with elf on a shelf? And somehow elf on a shelf has become shorthand for Tim Miller in my household

ever since. So the context matters. I don't know if it does, actually. I don't know if the context helps me all that much. But whatever. And I wore a sweat. It's not a Christmas sweater, but I wore a sweater for you. I guess I'm not looking at Elvin today, but maybe your daughter would disagree. This morning I told everybody I'm going to be out with Elf on a shelf, but they all got it.

Brutal. That's brutal. Okay. Let's get on to something else brutal. The president of these United States Oval Office address last night. I had to suffer through it for my job. People who didn't, there's a lot of garland, a lot of garland in the Oval Office now. It kind of felt like a Sarasota Mall Santa screaming about Joe Biden.

The telepronter was moving great. Garland, a lot of garland in the Oval Office now. It kind of felt like a Sarasota mall Santa

screaming about Joe Biden. The teleprompter was moving very fast, I think, because he had limited

time because the networks wanted to get to the Survivor season finale. The only policy announcement

was that troops are going to get a thousand buck dividend, which is, you know, whatever. It's a

Christmas bonus, I guess. But most of the

speech was complaining about Joe Biden in the first minute he complained about how Joe Biden

transgendered everybody. I don't know. It was pretty embarrassing, I guess, was my takeaway. I was

feeling embarrassed for him, but also for all of us. What was your reaction to our president?

Yeah, definitely more embarrassed for all of us

dead for him. The guy is absolutely shameless. And I've been thinking lately that the problem is

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