All right, three, two, one. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome to William Ramsey Investigates on

tonight show. I have a great guest, somebody whose videos I've watched over and over, there's about

143 at this point. He makes them under the name of Program to Kill, referencing the great late Dave McGowan's book program to kill the politics of serial murder.

And he's done just so much work.

These are about 10 minutes each.

So there's tons of information on so many serial killers.

His name is Patrick.

I've heard him on Ed Opperman and many other places as well.

But tonight we're going to talk about a specific subject.

He sent some of me, some of his specific research on this kind of theme I've been pursuing,

which is the gay serial killer. So we did some, he sent me stuff on John Wayne Gacy,

you were going to talk about and some other pretty dark subject matter. So I would not want to have the audio of this

in the purview or in close to anybody you might be sensitive. So anyway, Patrick, are you there?

I'm here, William. Thank you for having me. Awesome. Thanks for agreeing to the interview.

So you sent me this one article that I read. It's an article from September 28, 2018, titled was John Wayne Gacy connected to a ring of homosexual sadist and murders.

And it was remarkable in a lot of ways.

It's a great article.

It shows that there's a lot more nuance to the John Wayne Gacy murders.

But they also brought up something that I wrote or made the documentary about,

which is the Smileyface Killings and how these do overlap.

So, Patrick, for people who don't know you, maybe the best thing to do is just talk a little bit about your background, how you became interested in these subjects.

And then we can just kind of get into the general information.

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