Hey, everyone. Before we get to my interview with Patrick Deneen, I wanted to let you know two quick things.

First, I am absolutely not kidding when I say that why liberalism failed is an amazing book that you should absolutely read.

I've been talking about this book to all sorts of people and seriously, get this book.

I honestly cannot recall the last

time a political book had this much of an effect on me. Second, one thing I really wanted to ask

Professor Deneen about that I didn't have the time to were some recommendations aside from the

thinkers that we talked about in the podcast that you'll hear and also some of the people he mentions in his book and

that would be mainly Wendell Berry who you should also absolutely read his latest

book of collected essays is the world ending fire it's astonishingly good along

with Edmund Burke and Alexis de Tocqueville. We were able to talk about

some other thinkers later on, at which point I just totally geeked out. So honestly, it's probably

better that it didn't end up being recorded. But Professor Deneen did give me a bunch of recommendations,

all of which I've included in the show notes. So really, this was one of my

all-time favorite interviews. I hope you enjoy it. My guest today is Patrick Deneen, a professor of

political science at the University of Notre Dame. His book, Why Liberalism Failed, is without a doubt,

the best book on politics I've read, not just this year, but really in a lot of years.

And it actually caused sort of a kind of a personal ideological reevaluation for me, which was

interesting and experience I'm still trying to work through. And, you know, I've really been,

I've been telling a lot of people about this book. I'm very excited about it.

And so when Professor Deneen agreed to talk with me on the show about it, I was really thrilled.

And I have him here today.

And so Patrick Deneen, thank you so much for coming on the show.

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