It's morning in New York.

Oh, God.

Hey, everybody.

I'm Mandy Patinkin.

And I'm Catherine Grady.

And we have a new podcast.

It's called Don't Listen to Us.

Many of you've asked for our advice.

Tell me, what is wrong with you people?

Don't listen to us.

Our Take It or Leave a Advice show every Wednesday out now, a Lemonada Media Original.

So today's guest on the podcast is Patrick Gagney, who identifies the sociopath and has written a memoir called sociopath.

And I'm in Greece shooting Malath, a limited series here, and I'm thinking about Greek gods

because they figure into the show a little bit, but also because I grew up loving Greek mythology,

Edith Hamilton's book on mythology, was like by my bedside all the time. And I just ingested

the Greek gods and their misbehaviors. And they were horrible to one another and horrible to humans.

They were constantly raping and killing and being jealous of humans and doing, you know,

transforming themselves into swans and bulls and, you know, just these incredible stories

of the gods.

And as I got older, I realized, well, they're just kind of mirroring the worst of human behavior,

or let's say the extremes of human behavior, what human behavior is capable of,

or at least metaphorically capable of, these transformations, these acts of violence,

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