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All right, so we'd have another one coming on in the midst of the cloud of witnesses talking about their experiences either directly under Doug or under his protégés or maybe just influenced by his looming shadow over the church.

So if you want to, if you can introduce yourself and then just generally speaking,

kind of where you've come from, how you were introduced to him or introduced to things like

him.

So yeah, start with that.

My name is Hannah and I am from New England. I grew up in one church that ended up planting

in a neighboring state. And yeah, I was there from the age of, I think I was around two.

And grew up there, got married there, had my first and second baby there.

And I was very, I was one of the foundational people in that church.

I grew up in it.

So over time, the church ended up turning into a cult, completely not associated with

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