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🗓️ 21 August 2025
⏱️ 81 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | Does a command of Jesus to love our enemies mean it's wrong to divorce an abusive husband? |
| 0:10.6 | Here's what Pastor Paul Labutier said just last Sunday while speaking at Calvary Chapel in Boise, Idaho. |
| 0:17.1 | The number one question that I get as it relates to understanding perhaps grounds for divorce. |
| 0:27.1 | And let me just say abuse is terrible. |
| 0:31.2 | It's hard to even find the words to describe the devastation that abuse brings into a person's life, but as horrible as abuse is, |
| 0:41.4 | you'll notice that Jesus didn't say love your enemies unless, of course, they abuse you. |
| 0:48.7 | And then all bets are off. |
| 0:50.8 | So does this passage about enduring persecution apply to marriage, or is this pastor twisting the |
| 0:56.3 | scriptures to bolster his patriarchal view? |
| 0:59.2 | I'll dig into this issue with author and abuse survivor Nagmei Panahi and Leslie Vernick, author |
| 1:04.3 | of numerous books and resources on relationships and marriage. |
| 1:08.3 | Welcome to The Roy's Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth |
| 1:12.3 | and restoring the church. I'm Julie Roy's. |
| 1:27.3 | Well, I'm thrilled today to be joined by two friends, Nagmei Panahi and Leslie Bernic. |
| 1:32.6 | If you followed the Roy's report, you probably know Nagme's story, but just in case you don't, |
| 1:37.8 | Nagme became an international advocate when her ex-husband, Saeed Abidini, was imprisoned for his |
| 1:43.8 | faith in Iran. |
| 1:45.1 | But what many didn't know, and even Nagmei didn't realize for much of her marriage, |
| 1:49.2 | was that she was being abused. |
| 1:51.3 | But when she realized how abusive her husband was and opened up about it, |
| 1:55.4 | the Christian community turned on her. |
| 1:57.8 | And it's been quite the journey since then to bring her to where she is today. |
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