so this is how I like to have this conversation because there are guys who can win it and then

there are guys who you're like oh you say oh he maybe there's a world where he could win it

when in reality what you're being like what you're saying is like I think he could finish second

or like I feel like he could be the third guy in a three guy race, but not really ever.

Like again, our voters, when push comes to shove and that ballot is in front of their face,

are they going to pick a guy to win the award that is on the same team as LeBron James?

The last time we had something like that was, I mean, let me think here.

Off the top of your head, when's the last time we had something like that?

So clarify again, the last time someone...

Basically, someone winning that was on the same team as someone else who you could conceivably say was either better than them

or like in a different universe was better than them.

I think, so Durant in 13, 14, obviously he was on the same team as Russ, but Russ was not looked at in that light.

And honestly, he probably wasn't even after he won the damn award.

I think you have to go back to...

Jeez.

I think you have to go back to...

I was going to say Magic's first one, but that was 86, 87.

And that, that, that point that was, that it becomes Magic's team.

Yeah, it was, it was Magic's team already.

Moses won two years after Julius won, Julius Irving won when they were on the same team.

And he was the best player on that team.

He was the best player on that team.

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