before we get there.

So the way I did my preparation for the rest of this is as I do most things of this nature,

which is I go, I don't look at a list of players.

I look at a NBA standings and I see all the teams and I go through in my mind each team.

And I say, okay, who from that team deserves to be mentioned in this part of

this conversation? And the first name that I wrote down, because I looked at the top of the

Eastern Conference standings from last year, the first name I wrote down was Drew Holiday, because

obviously he plays for the Boston Celtics. And I just wanted to give a little shout out to Drew Holiday.

We talked about his Hall of Fame candidacy briefly a couple episodes ago.

Since then, I think it was Zach Harper co-wrote the weekly athletic piece that comes out, him and Choms.

And I have a feeling the piece that pertained to Drew was written by Harper.

I think if I'm getting that wrong, I apologize.

And I thought it was a really well-written piece basically saying that Holiday, despite not having a lot of the typical accolades of Hall of Fame players,

really kind of has a great case now, especially in light of the recent induction in April,

or announced induction in April.

I don't know if he's actually been inducted yet, of Michael Cooper.

Michael Cooper, who won five championships with the Lakers.

I don't think he ever made an all-star team,

but he made nine all-defense teams and one defensive player

of the year.

And I don't want to say that Cooper's induction, like,

opened the door for holiday because I think,

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