This is an I-Heart podcast.

Guaranteed human.

What I like about the show generally is that it does this incredibly difficult thing,

which is find people that somehow don't want to be reality stars to volunteer to be on television.

And to be honest, the fact that it does that successfully makes me think it is using unethical means.

Like, there is something about how perfectly it does what it sets out to do, where I'm like,

you are tricking these people.

Like, these people somehow, somehow you found the only people that don't get what it means

to air your dirty laundry on television.

Well, there is financial incentive. That's true.

That's true.

They get free therapy and they even get a stipend.

Oh, they do?

Yeah.

They get like a stipend for like travel and child care.

I mean, I get that.

And I think it also, what's nice about it and what's frankly kind of unrealistic about it is that it's

financially and like class-wise a diverse set of people, whereas I'm sure that normally

someone like Orna would have clients that were only very wealthy.

Yeah, for sure.

Patience, not clients, excuse me.

So I do think that's what's sort of interesting about it, is it is not a depiction of something

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