Hi, I'm Otto. Welcome to Ellen says, put the cost.

This episode is, it's, it's, it's, we've never done an episode like this before with female

founders who are front facing their public CEOs of a, you know, a massive company, massive

company, Heather Hassan and Trina Speer, you know, their trailblazers in the $12 billion

US medical apparel industry. The company went public in May and it was the first ever IPO

for a firm led by two. It's a really good female co-founders. So great episode to listen

to for career advice, how to fill the brand challenges, building a brand, the zigzag that

your career can take. And they also address the controversy that surrounded their company

about a year ago that a lot of people wrote into us about, you know, having strong opinions

on. And so we really believe that everybody should have an opportunity to explain their

side of something and hopefully people listen to it and feel, you know, like they got

a different perspective. These are two, like, just boss. These are, these are, these

are, these women are just inspiring. They are, they are humble. They are, they're just

great. They're a great, yeah. So it's a very inspirational episode and, um, and I, what

I love you're enjoying your walk right now or your drive in the car and I hope our voices

are soothing to you. And I think that you should really just be on this ride with us.

But what I love the most is that their story really aligns with the thesis of our podcasts.

We talk all the time about finding your passions sort of later in life and finding yourself

in a career or doing the thing you wanted to do a little bit later in life. These two

women were in totally different fields before coming together in their late 20s, early 30s

to start this business there. Why don't you wrap it on up because people are about to

listen to the episode and they may only have like a 45 minute drive in them or, you know,

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