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Welcome to another podcast version of Midnight Meat.

So weekly interview that goes on in my weeknight show on BBC Radio 5,

live 1030 to 1 a.m. Mondays to Thursdays on the voice of the nation.

But if you can't stay up, this is a place you can listen to at least 10% of what we put out during the week.

And I know regular listeners to this podcast will know I said this quite a lot,

but really is one of my favourite Midnight meats ever tonight.

It's with a long time friend of mine who recently wrote a best-selling autobiography entitled The Accidental Footballer.

But Pat Nevin, he just doesn't fall in to the footballer mode.

You know, it was museums over parties.

It was gigs over lads, nights out.

It was red wine over beer.

But also, I think, a really underrated footballer in my book anyway.

His personal story plus key moments in his career are about so much more than football.

And therefore, this Midnight Meat is about so much more than football.

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