So then they tell you, you've got to join the Me Too movement, you got to join the LGBTQ movement,

you've got to join the transgender identity movement, and so what happens to the church is

it chases the world until it abandons its own message.

We are here on the Sunday special with the great John MacArthur, who is the president of the Masters University, and we are going to get into an enormous amount of his philosophy and work.

We're going to get into religion and free will and politics, so many good things.

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virtually any other guests that we've more anticipation in the office than we've had for, I think,

virtually any other guest that we've ever had on the Sunday special.

That's amazing to me, but I'm honored to be here. Well, I'm honored to have you. So let's jump

right into the issue of the day, and that is religion and politics. So you're not known as an

overtly political preacher. You talk more

about values than politics. What do you think the relationship should be between folks who are

in the business of religion and trying to inform people about religion and politics? How often

should they be speaking about politics? Should they be doing so openly or just preaching values?

My calling, my mandate, the command from heaven to me, is to preach the gospel to the ends of the earth.

That's the message that I am committed and mandated by God to preach.

It's the gospel.

Politics is the art of reordering human society on a temporal basis.

The message of the gospel has to do with eternal issues.

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