I'm your host Tyler Burns. You can follow me on Twitter and Instagram at BurnsClam. Please follow at your own risk. And joining me, as always, is the founder of the witness. He has a very exciting story.

We are back again in the studio at St. Stephen Church. To the St. Stephen family for the use of these beautiful facilities, which you can see if you're a Patreon subscriber or Patreon.com forward slash pass the money.

Okay, so Ali has had a whole conversation about this. It's not for slash. It's a slash. I'm gonna see slash. See, I borrowed the for slash. Okay, for me, I borrowed it from you. I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything.

Hey, okay, so I made you on.com slash pass the mic. There we go. But I mean, by the time this is released, we may have released on YouTube. So you may be able to get on YouTube too.

Looking at the witness, a black Christian collective, you know, I don't know. So we'll see. You'll just have to stay nimble, stay agile, stay flexible. Keep up with us. Okay, so Jamar, I talk about this all the time, but it was really heartening for me as a pinocosal that yesterday.

It was such a moving moment for me, honestly, to see. And here you speak in tongues at dinner. And I was really moved by that.

Here we go. I give the tongues a solid C minus. I give it a solid C minus. It's a lot of room for improvement on your, on your endeavor to make me pinocostle.

But, but, but it was a step, right? That was an attempt. An attempt was made. I felt the spirit coming off. Ali was about to prophesy over you.

And you just do stuff. You didn't do it. You just do it. It's just no stuff.

Tejark to is a quick. For those of you who know, it was, it was a little bit of a quickening. But, you know, I always talk about being pinocosal and some of the greatest experiences.

And really where I actually had a, my first pinocosal experience was in a large conference setting. And so I had my first, not my first experience, but first experience for myself.

Right. So that was in Azusa conference when I was 13 years old, exactly. And, you know, received at that time what I considered to be the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.

Bishop Carlton Pearson was preaching. He was one of the foremost influences in my life at that time. Bishop Pearson was the first person to prophesy over me.

So, my mind would have probably likely been if Azusa continued a mentor and a someone who shaped me and would have probably gone on the road with them, like all kinds of different things.

You know, it's just like very deep in it. And so there were those conferences that are near and dear memories to me. And it's so fascinating how in non-denominational pinocosal charismatic circles, conferences are very important to the shaping of your faith.

And another conference that we used to always go to was manpower. Right. So the men used to go to manpower conference with Bishop Jake's so be, you know, 20,000, 30,000 men in the super dome or wherever.

And then the women had one as well, which was far and away more popular. And actually at one point broke attendance records in the Georgia dome in Atlanta. Yeah.

That's more than that. At huge venues actually broke attendance records. And that is, of course, woman that are loose, the woman that are loose conference. And so woman that loose conference started, I believe it was in 1996.

Okay. And so it had out about 25 years of a run. And it started out of, I believe it's at the Georgia World Congress Center. And it started out of Bible studies that TD Jakes was having.

Obviously, it's based on this idea and story in Luke 13 where Jesus heals a cripple woman on the Sabbath and says, you know, woman, you are loose, thou art loose from your infirmity.

And it was fascinating because there are very stark divides about woman, thou art loose, what it means, what it means for women, what it means for men, what it means for this particular man in Bishop Jake's, for patriarchy, for misogyny.

All kinds of different things. So there's lots of layers at work here. But a lot of the experience of why women in our church, even my mother, people around were very excited about woman, thou art loose is because it platformed diverse women speakers.

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