It’s been a tough week for Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer as the public vote in local elections on Thursday. With the cloud of beergate hanging over Starmer, and sex scandals and the cost of living crisis affecting Johnson, John Harris is joined by Guardian columnist Rafael Behr and the Observer’s Sonia Sodha to talk about how this all creates deep distrust between the public and politicians. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/politicspod