Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about bad people, and problematic people.

And we've got both this week with the story of Bruno Betelheim, a man who is really, really

testing my previous conclusion

that like there's no, there's no wrong way

to react to having been in a concentration camp,

maybe this way.

Bruno might have been the guy

to figure out the wrong way.

Had to lose all sympathy.

Yeah.

My guest with me again, as in part one, Alison Rask and Allison, how are you doing?

It's the same day, but we pretend it's a separate one.

I'm good.

What I didn't reveal in episode one, which I feel like will be more relevant for this part of his life story, is that I actually have had OCD since I was four years old.

So I was someone who was treated for pretty severe mental illness as a young child and was put on Prozac when I was four and was actually incredibly

thankful for my parents being proactive in that way and getting me the help that I needed.

So I'm like not so that is it all against taking children's mental health seriously.

And it's like kind of a lot of the activism I do.

But I think we're about to explore a scenario where that goes wrong.

Horrible, horribly wrong.

Yes, exactly.

Well, it's also, you know, it's interesting because a big part of Bruno's story and a big

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