We should be in Canada now.

I can't live here any longer not knowing what will happen tomorrow.

You're all right, Bess.

We need to go.

They've closed the borders.

Martial law. They won a war with Canada.

There has got to be a way to get out.

We have to get out now. Welcome everyone to the sixth and final episode of the official

Plot Against America podcast from HBO. My name is Peter Sagle. You know me, perhaps from NPR's Whitway.

Don't Tell Me. For the sixth and final time, it is my privilege to sit again with the creator and

executive producer of the plot against America, David Simon. Hey, David. Hey, thanks for having me back.

Again, please go and watch not just the episode, the whole series, because we're going to be

talking about a lot of things that played out throughout the six hours of TV that you hopefully have seen by now.

Let's get into where we are when this episode starts. The rioting that we had seen acted out,

much to Herman's dismay, at the end of last episode, is now spread. There's rioting all over the country now, right?

Wherever Walter Winchell goes. Yeah. So Winchell has become not so much the symbol of the resistance or the anti-Linberg forces,

but the target of pro-Linberg rage. They come to him wherever he is, and these riots play out like a series of Kristallnachts, where they take

the provocation of Winchell daring to denounce the president to attack Jewish businesses,

burn them as happened in Germany.

Yeah.

Prior to this, as scary as things got, it seems still sane. Now we're moving into a very different kind of country.

The last we saw of Herman, he's beaten, he is finally, it seems, come to see what is really going on

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