Pay no attention to Mr. Hoover's men over on my left with their cameras and the dark suits and their intimidating tactics.

Because this is not Berlin and they are not the Gestapo.

No! This is Patterson, New Jersey. Welcome to episode five of the Plot Against America podcast, the companion podcast for the

limited series, The Plot Against America on HBO.

I am Peter Sagle, normally the host of NPR's. Wait, wait, wait, don't tell me.

Today I have the honor of talking again with David Simon, the creator and executive producer

of the Plot Against America. Hello, David. Hi.

So this is the companion episode to part five, and this is our normal warning that you do

not want to listen

to this if you haven't seen episode five on HBO. Unless you have a weird masochism, I don't

understand why you would do that. At any rate, please go watch it if you haven't, then come back to us.

In this episode, we learn about Homestead 42, a program which is intended to relocate Jewish families to the heartland, as they call it.

And we also get to see, finally, Walter Winchell, who leads what, perhaps you might call the resistance to Lindberg.

And what happens when he actually takes that fight to the streets.

And of course, Herman Levin and the rest of his family is in the center of all of this.

David, the episode begins with Herman in his car.

I think for the first time we see Herman Levin unsure.

He doesn't want to walk in with this news, but he does it.

And the news, of course, is terrible that the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company has now asked him to relocate.

And we are going to be seeing more and more of this.

Bess kind of takes control.

She says, all right, everybody come here.

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