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Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, a podcast about the very worst people in all of history.

And if you're listening to this, we've had a heavy start to the year doing four episodes on some of the new releases in the Epstein files.

It's been dark.

And whenever things get dark,

I like to go back to like a lighter kind of fair, you know, something a little more fun.

Now, since this is still a podcast about the worst people in history, we're still going to be

talking about horrible things, but yeah, this is all a preamble to say we're talking about

a kooky psychic today.

You're welcome, everybody.

I know these are a lot of people's favorite episodes.

And to hear about this person, we've got a great guest for you this week.

Cal Penn.

Cal, welcome to the show.

Thank you for coming on.

Thanks for having me.

I appreciate it.

Yeah.

Obviously, people, I'm sure most people

listening are very well aware of you for your career in film and television and your time in the

Obama White House, but you are now a podcaster. You've gotten dragged into the podcasting

trenches. Your life has been upgraded, some might say.

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