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🗓️ 22 July 2025
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Robert sits down with Miles Gray to talk about Laetrile, a fraudulent cancer "cure" embraced by the John Birch society as a way to tie right wing politics to alternative medicine.
(2 Part Series)
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0:00.0 | Quarzo Media |
0:02.8 | Whoa! It's behind the bastards time already! Oh my God! I would never have guessed because I woke up mere minutes ago, even though it is, it's later than it should be. This is a podcast about bad people, the kind of people who keep you up at night, which is the excuse |
0:21.8 | I'm going with. |
0:23.7 | Here to distract you from the holes in my story and the inconsistencies is Miles Gray. |
0:30.1 | Hey, thank you. |
0:31.9 | Miles, how you doing? |
0:33.4 | I'm good. |
0:34.4 | I know I'm going to be better because, you know, I'm kind of going through a down bummer period. And the point of this show is to cheer people up, right? So I'm just, I'm just so looking forward to hearing about something that will uplift my soul and get me kind of out of this rut since my house burned down earlier this year. And I'm just really feeling like you're going to lift my spirit. So I'm so happy to be here, man. |
0:59.3 | You know, Sophie sent me a text the other day saying, I think Miles is having a rough one, you know. |
1:02.3 | It's been a hard year for him and his family. |
1:02.8 | Get him on. Maybe we bring him on. |
1:04.3 | We talk to him about a fake cancer cure that killed a shitload of children and also gave birth to the right wing anti-medicine movement that's culminated in RFK Jr. Desrying to destroy vaccines as a concept, you know? Let's just talk about that and cheer them up. Yep. Thanks. How's how you feeling? Good, buddy. Good, buddy. Yeah. Oh, fuck. Where's my vape pen? I mean, it's, yeah. Those are load bearing for a lot of people these days. Just to get to this recording. Again, we all keep learning, you know, how much wisdom there was buried in those Lord of the Rings movies. I get Gandalf just constantly every 10 seconds. Like, no, man, I need some, I need a hit. I need that shire weed now. Shit is fucked up right now. Yeah. Just he's like, damn, he's like, how'd you blow that dragon out? He's like, I don't even know, man. I don't even know. When you smoke enough, that shit just happens. Just happens, man. |
2:09.6 | Other things that just happen is Americans being like, you know all this medicine we've got that, like, works sometimes? |
2:14.6 | What have we used medicine that doesn't ever work except for when it kills your children? |
2:19.2 | And then what if we made defending our right to poison our own kids and ourselves with that nonsense and to like the only actual right that is protected |
2:24.6 | in the United States today? Like there's really one right that you have as an American that has |
2:30.6 | not in any way been impeded by the rush of, you know, the current regime. |
2:35.3 | And that is the right to put whatever you want in your body as long as it will poison you |
2:40.5 | and someone tells you it's a cure for cancer. |
2:42.9 | Right, right. |
2:43.5 | That's an absolute right you have. |
2:45.4 | Yeah. |
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