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So Natasha, we have another special guest this week. I'm excited because this is a friend of yours.

A friend of yours. Someone that has helped you out. Also a mom and someone that's going to talk about her sobriety journey and oh my god setting boundaries

which we could talk about i need that every day so i'm so glad heather is here i am so glad

my dear friend heather is joining us she has been i mean my best friend in recovery period like

she's my one i can call whenever I'm struggling and she can call me.

And having that kind of like sisterhood when you're in recovery is vital.

I mean, you can't, you really can't get through it without it.

You know, having somebody that just gets it utterly and completely. And Heather gets like the

contentious X factor in there too, which, I mean, we'll get all into that. But she's my life,

buddy. Well, Natasha kind of gave you an intro, Heather, but Heather Sand is here.

You're a realtor, a mom, fashionista, fabulous style on your IG. And like Natasha said,

you are in recovery. You've been sober. And we were actually talking about this, Heather,

because one of the things we were going to talk about today is, okay, a lot of people get sober and great, you're on a great path, and life happens and they relapse.

Did you ever have a relapse story or you just help people kind of through that?

No, I have been working on sobriety for a little over five years now.

And when I first got sober, I never

realized that you can relapse. And you can relapse once. You can relapse twice. You can relapse 20

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