And Hayes, very kindly then, would listen to this visit from a major person, then he would

call me and say, Norm, come up to my office, I have a good deal to tell you.

I would go up, he'd tell me, I've just had a visit from a major person, and he wants

me to break up this investigation, so I'd then say, well, Wayne, what did you do?

What did you say to him?

He said, I just told him to get the LL, and he did that three times, and I got pretty

proud of him in the sense that he was, as it were, backing me up.

And we finally embarked upon hearings at Hayes' request, because he wanted to get them

out of the way before he went abroad as the summer.

And why were the hearings finally terminated?

What happened to the committee?

What happened to the committee or the hearings?

The hearings?

Well, the hearings were terminated, Carol Reece was up against such a furor as Hayes through

the activity of her own counsel.

Hayes became convinced that he was being double-crossed, and he put on a show in a

public hearing room, Mr. Griffin, that was an absolute disgrace.

And he called Carol Reece publicly every name in the book, and Mr. Reece took this as proof

that he couldn't continue the hearings.

He actually invited me to accompany him, when he went down to Hayes' office, and in

my presence with the tears rolling down his face, Hayes apologized to Carol Reece for

every done and his conduct, and apologized to me, and I thought that would be enough

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