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Part 5 -- PAINE -- Tuesday Oct 24 -- Tune In For All The Fun & Crucial Intel

Thomas Paine Podcast

mike moore

Daily News, Philosophy, News, Society & Culture, Politics

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 24 October 2023

⏱️ 28 minutes

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0:00.0

I don't want you to tell me how you go about it because I may have to deny it and that was a classic

0:07.1

examples. In other words the person doesn't want to lie that they were involved in it.

0:11.3

Senior figures were deliberately kept in the dark about the specifics of campaigns

0:17.0

so that they could deny involvement should they be called upon to answer questions.

0:26.7

At the age of 29 Colin Wallace was the youngest senior information officer in the MOD. During his time in information policy he was put forward for New Year's honours three times by his superiors.

0:37.0

In 1973, the I.R.D was withdrawn from Northern Ireland.

0:48.3

The I.R.D. focused on framing conflicts both at home and abroad as part of a clash of ideologies between communism and the West.

0:56.0

Army Intelligence saw the I.R.D as involved in political propaganda of limited relevance to their anti-terror and counter-insurgency campaign.

1:05.7

The military feared that having the I.R.D. in Northern Ireland was undermining the credibility of their own PR campaigns

1:17.0

and Lisbon, the Army Headquarters was becoming known as the Lisbon Lie Machine.

1:25.0

Not long after the departure of Hugh Muni and the IRD, a meeting was convened at Stormont Castle, the

1:31.0

headquarters of MI5 in Northern Ireland.

1:34.0

At this meeting a campaign codenamed Clockwork Orange was launched.

1:38.3

Colin Wallace was asked to liaise with an operative by the cover name John Shaw.

1:43.0

He never came to Army Headquarters at any time when I was there.

1:48.0

All the meetings I had with them were at the White Gables Hotel.

1:52.0

And I think the idea with that... them were at the White Gable to tell.

1:53.0

And I think the idea with that was that there would be no direct link, particularly with some of the

1:59.2

information that we were using between him and the army.

2:04.2

Colin Wallace alleges John Shaw supplied him with material that included

2:08.2

smears on politicians from the three main political parties in Britain.

2:13.0

Why do you think you were given that information,

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