And...

Well, Mr. Dyer, if I may interrupt here for a second.

At what point in your career did you become connected with the Reese Committee?

In 1953.

1953.

Yeah.

And what was that capacity, sir?

That was the capacity of what they call director of research for the Rees Committee.

Can you tell us what the Rees Committee was attempting to do?

Yes, I can tell you.

It was operating and carrying out instructions embodied in a resolution passed by the House of Representatives,

which was to investigate the activities of foundations as to whether or not these activities could justifiably be labeled un-American without, I might say,

defining what they meant by un-American.

But that was the resolution, and the committee had then the task of selecting a council,

and the council in turn had the task of selecting a staff.

And he had to have somebody who would direct the work of that staff.

And that was what they meant by the director of research.

What were some of the details, the specifics that you told the committee at that time?

Well, Mr. Griffin, in that report, I specifically, number one, defined what was, to us, what was meant by the phrase un-American and we defined that in our way as being

a determination to effect changes in the country by unconstitutional means.

We have plenty of constitutional procedures,

assuming that we wish to effect a change in the form of government

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