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Now this is, this next subject is a subject I'm very passionate about.

And I know Dr. Z

shares my passion for this because you are a very pragmatic person but it's

learning from best practice you know proven systems as opposed to learning

from guesswork.

I don't know. I think we should reinvent the wheel at every turn.

And I'm going to get Pastor Jesse's take on this, but I'm just going to kind of warm up the conversation.

So here we go.

You studied mathematics and optometry in school at

NSU in Oklahoma. Is this correct? That is correct. And then you went from

optometry, which makes sense to go you the next business after you run a successful

optometry clinic you have two of them the arguably the largest or most

successful in the region it makes sense to immediately then go into the auto auction industry because your vast knowledge

of cars and optometry that you could see they parallel because you are an automotive mechanic

expert are you not? That is incorrect. So knowing

knowing nothing about cars you moved into the automotive auction industry. How did

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