no well and you know this is like you know Tom pain and the founders you know were

deists which i think was very brilliant of them you know and people people constantly say

oh you know the i see it's a christ you know, the United States of Christian country.

No, it's not.

It's not founded on Christian principles.

It's founded on natural law and fundamental things that go back to Rome and Greece.

Okay.

And our founders, you know, were really smart about this.

Natural law is what they talk about over and over and over again.

So you can, you can, one can attribute it to God, and a Christian God, or whatever you want

to say, and that's, you know, or you can say the universe, what, I kind of lump that all

into again to the natural law thing. And you can't beat it.

You cannot beat it.

It may take a hell of a long time, but you can't beat it.

Right.

And, you know, Tompane caused quite a stir because of that.

This guy named Robert J. Ingersoll who was a

speechmaker

and a writer

and that

he did

fantastic,

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