Well, we're live. No intro for this one. This one's been three years in the making. This is Draco. We made it in Tanzania three years ago with the Haza, the Maasai. It was epic. And now we're finally doing a podcast. Welcome. Thanks, man. That's good to be here. I mean, wow. It's been a long time coming. Three years. Three years. We're here at the Sabian Center. We're in Austin. We're doing this live, watch it on YouTube. We got our three cameras set up. We're doing it professionally for this big podcast. This one is huge. I always probably say that this is one of the best podcasts I'm going to do, but I think this is one of the best podcasts we're going to do because we have some big insight. And we've been about this really for three years we got a lot of insight you got a lot of insight from traveling around the world so when we met in Tanzania that was part of a 180 city tour that

you were doing yeah that's right as my partner Mary we'd started to travel all around the world

to go and have a look at these traditional communities and to see like what was it that people were doing like what were they eating to find out

what would make people thrive and it was just such a combination of factors and no one got it

all right correct you know no one no one had it perfect but we could see all of the factors in different places that they did do right

sometimes it was community sometimes it was the food was amazing Sometimes it was just like the fact that there were outdoors a lot, you know. So, you know, many different factors. And then you start to get a picture that emerges. And I think, you know, you've had the same experience, you know, with your own travels, your own discussions with doctors and nutritionists and anthropologists and so forth,

very similar, right? Well, that's my whole goal. It's like, what is food lies? The series,

and what's my whole goal in life? It's to figure out how do we have the longest health span? How do we

maybe change the way we're living? And so what we're talking about today, we actually along the way,

we've kind of teamed up on this Sapien mission, which is really a movement.

And it's about how do we thrive as humans?

And we can look to the past and gain a lot of insight.

And that's why we travel around the world and look at what these cultures do.

But just because they do it doesn't mean it's correct.

So we always check things with modern science. And a thing we always say is camp no camp, which is the camp that we're in, which is kind of funny because it is a camp. But it's the best camp to be in because we're not going to get stuck in a dog one. We're not going to get stuck in paleo. And just because paleo did it, our Paleolithic answers did it, means it's correct.

Right? People say, oh, well, they didn't have raw milk back then. So why do you guys drink raw milk? We're like, well, what's a perfectly good nutritious food that helps people thrive? So why

should we throw it out just because supposedly we didn't do it back then? Yeah, just

actually just because it was done ages ago,

what I also realized just because it was done by a traditional community does not make it right.

And then me and you really connected on finding the closer truth. And we've found some amazing stuff,

right? Like we're starting to learn a lot more about where human thriving comes from and what to trim away from

even the ancestral way of life that doesn't serve us, right? So that's, yeah, I guess that's

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