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They called him the snake

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That was the reputation that he had

I got a long great

That's a warrior nickname in that line that work I mean mean, I got along great with him. You know, we like until I walked away, then he was very upset with me, but he was already doing 100 years from prison at that point. But, you know, people say, well, you were afraid of Roy de Mayo. I had no reason to be afraid of Roy DeMayo. You know, look, I have to say this, Brian.

We were all capable of putting a gun in our hands and doing what we had to do. So I didn't have to worry about anybody except my boss if I would have to step out of line. So I didn't worry about anybody else in that regard. But I had, you know, I was very mindful of doing the right thing so that I didn't put myself in trouble. And guys in the Mafia are always portrayed as having multiple women, you know, the Guma thing and like on the Sopranos, the way I'll be greeting him as if he hasn't seen him in a week when he's seen him last night. Yeah. Is that the way it was with multiple women or? It is part of the life. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna, you know, disavow that. But it's not as out there as people make, you know, as you see in the movies and the media. It wasn't that guys didn't respect their wives. I mean, they did. But, you know, it's a lifestyle where you're out six nights. I was in a club six nights a week. So, you know, who's in there? And then, of course, you know, women are attracted to us. I have to say it, you know, whether it's the money, the power, the bad boy image, or who knows, you know? So you have women around all the time so if you put yourself

in the lion's den so to speak you know it's part of that life i heard you telling a story about

a gay guy in the mafia and i wondered if that was something that uh was you know happened every now

and then or if it would be exposed or death Death. Really? Oh, yeah. No.

Absolutely frowned upon. You'd be in a lot of trouble.

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