Please be aware that in this episode, Simon and Corey have a discussion about suicide.

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I was sitting there and I ended up just sobbing and screaming into my sleeping bag at the top of my lungs

because I didn't want the camp staff to hear what was happening.

I walked into the cook tent and I was like, I'm done.

And I'm like with the expedition and I was like, I'm done. And I'm like,

with the expedition. And I was like, no, I'm like done climbing and taking pictures.

In the last episode of a bit of optimism, I sat down with Corey Richards. He's the climber and photographer, whose selfie after he survived an avalanche, made it to the cover of National Geographic.

His journey is nothing short of extraordinary.

And as powerful as our first episode was, our conversation went even deeper.

Corey's story is not just about surviving the mountains.

It's about confronting the personal battles that follow,

the moments of clarity and chaos that shape who we all are. This is a bit of optimism. Our minds do this thing

called splitting. When we feel under threat, we get more binary, which you see proliferating

in extreme ways across American. For good reason, by the way.

There's no time for nuance when there's a threat.

Right.

Am I going to get eaten or am I not going to get eaten?

But there is time for critical thinking.

Right.

To be able to slow yourself down and move into a response mindset.

And this is, you know, this is something I actually speak about is this whole system is

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