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Thomas Paine Podcast

Part 2 -- Revealed: Tulsi Gabbard’s Deep Connections to Controversial Hare Krishna Guru; Cult Leader Told Her How to Vote, Act, Speak

Thomas Paine Podcast

mike moore

Society & Culture, Philosophy, Politics, News, Daily News

4.61K Ratings

🗓️ 22 June 2026

⏱️ 29 minutes

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0:00.0

At several points, she opened her eyes wide while speaking.

0:05.0

Well, from what I saw, she's doing the thing again.

0:10.1

An unnamed speaker told Hoan later that day, according to a transcript of their conversation,

0:14.7

emailed to Salzburg and others.

0:17.3

She's still doing the eye thing.

0:20.5

The communications were among many memos that reflected concern about Gabbard's media performances,

0:26.8

or guidance about what she should say during them at a time when she was just beginning to gain a national reputation.

0:34.4

They coincided with memos, documenting advice on how she might run for president in 2016

0:40.5

a January 2015 memo documented an unnamed advisor's proposal to attack John F. Carey then secretary of state for saying violent

0:52.6

activity by the Islamic state and Al Qaeda was

0:57.8

rooted not in Islam but in alienation, poverty, thrill-seeking and other factors.

1:04.3

If that were true, the advisor said sarcastically.

1:07.8

The way to deal with terrorists would be to give them a trophy, a big hug,

1:13.5

increase their self-esteem, give them a good-paying job.

1:17.2

In a Fox News interview later that day, Gabbard repeated the carry quote and gave a similar

1:21.7

mocking punchline.

1:22.8

And if that's really the cause, then the solution would be give them a trophy, give them a hug,

1:29.2

give them a good paying job, she said.

1:31.9

I wanted to know whether Gabbard had used the talking points in her other TV appearances.

1:38.5

With post-colleague Aaron Schaffer, I compared Gabbard's remarks in 32 TV interviews between

1:43.6

2014 and 2016 with the talking points memos intended for them.

1:49.0

On 24 occasions, Gabbard used language in the memos almost verbatim.

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