It's like well, if that was true, then you'd want to follow those footsteps. But then everybody says, oh, it's like with Trump. Oh, he's got to play ball if you got to play ball if you want to change things from inside the system. If your whole game plan is to change the system from within the system, then you're not actually going to change the system.

So for me, why am I going to put my energy into even wasting time researching this person or talking about it?

I think I am of the belief at this stage in my life and I remember when I first met you I still had a little bit of naive

a little bit of hope but I don't have that anymore. I'm like when people talk

about saving America or saving the Republic or

restoring this country like what are we restoring it to when this country was

founded it was 13 colonies with 2.5 million people.

Only 500,000 people voted, which were white landowning dead.

We elected the president and vice president in a different way.

We elected senators in a different way. The country was completely different. Now it's

3,000 miles wide, 400 million people were an empire with you know 800

military bases around the world.

It's not even what it was in the founding.

So what is it that you're saving?

And at what point are you trying to restore it to? Because it's not even the same thing anymore you know so to me

I don't know what anybody was even fighting for it it's it's nothing it's as a legal man would say and you just have to rerun on his show you know these

are boredom statements they mean absolutely nothing yeah it was interesting to go back and listen to that show. I found myself compelled because, you know, when you were doing this, it moved so fast, you just forget about the, you know, things that were said and things that you've done and

you just move on to the next day so to speak and and so it was interesting to

listen to that but he is interesting to listen to on a number of different things.

And he does make the point, and many other folks that make the point too,

you really, with just what you said,

you're really comparing apples and oranges because of the size of the country. It was empty. It was empty for years until they locked it down.

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