Hi, I'm Edward Sree, and welcome to all things Catholic, where real faith meets real life.

Hi, and welcome to the special edition of all things Catholic.

I'm your host, Edward Sree, and I'm excited for you to hear the second half of our conversation

on marriage with my wife Beth and father Mike Schmitz from the Seek 23 conference.

So without further ado, let's jump into it.

What you're describing, go ahead to the four things that he mentions that he can fall into.

The first man that you can fall into.

And then how we want to have the ratio of seven to one, that's just fascinating that here is

he's scientifically trying to... Well, there's also people who will say that three to ones

way too low. You need many more acts of kindness and trust and love. Also, I've heard a psychologist say,

Jordan Peterson, say that 11 to one is you need more kickback. You need more tension,

or else the other person is just a pushover, and you start to not respecting them because they're

too much of a pushover. You need someone to contend with, he says. Now, that doesn't mean they always

have to be acts of defensiveness or stoning or contempt, but it means there's some kind of person

you marry to someone you can contend with, not simply someone who just agree with everything you say

and think that you're perfect, but go back to it. But the whole process though, I think that's

what the sacrament is doing. It's changing our hearts to love like Jesus. Jesus is not three to

one, seven to one, eleven to one. He's infinite. And it's perfect love. Now, none of us are going to

get there in this lifetime, but grace really does change our hearts. You probably go into the marriages,

as you get into it and things get hard, you may have moments where it is more two to one, three to

one or something like that. But through the sacrament, God changes our heart to love like He loves

on Good Friday, where He's patient when the other person is frustrating us. He was misunderstood. He

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