I'm Pastor Mike Winger and this is Bible Thinker the program dedicated to thinking

biblically about everything. I think our positions are kind of...

Before we shift I like to share one thing though,

I feel and I feel that you're being inconsistent because you said that we really got Peter or Paul saw vision and I'll definitely

fight you on that and say that Paul thought he saw the physical risen Jesus and

if we can use acts I can make that even stronger but that's one, and I'd love to talk to you about it.

But also, you then said Peter's just one guy.

Just one dude had this kind of crazy vision.

The other guys had sort of mass hysteria,

and Peter maybe led them in that.

But you also said, let me, let me finish this point.

Sorry.

Yeah, let me finish this point if I can.

And then I'll totally hear you out.

But then you also said, first, you know, Peter's the only but but then you also said it first you know Peter's the only

guy but you also said that you granted James and Jude that they had some sort of

vision type experience where they thought they saw Jesus too so you you've given me at

least three guys then later you said there was only one.

I don't actually think they saw anything. I think they believe, I think they professed they saw something.

But, uh...

So they at least believe that they saw something.

Mm.

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