Part 190 - Dr. Ted Naiman & Nick Norwitz, PhD and the Food System Scoring Wars
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Brian Sanders
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🗓️ 4 April 2023
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Summary
Ted Naiman is a board-certified Family Medicine physician in the department of Primary Care at a leading major medical center in Seattle. Senior Science and Communication Advisor for DietDoctor.com. His research and medical practice are focused on the practical implementation of diet and exercise for health optimization. He has an undergraduate degree in mechanical engineering and utilizes engineering principles when dealing with complex systems such as human health and nutrition.
Dr. Nicholas Norwitz obtained his PhD in ketogenic nutrition and metabolism from Oxford University and is pursuing his MD at Harvard Medical School. He is a certified Metabolic Health Practitioner (MHP), and the author of peer-reviewed scientific papers and textbook chapters on topics including Alzheimer's disease, cardiovascular disease, diabetes, gastrointestinal health, genetics, osteology, and Parkinson's disease, as well as a blogger and lecturer on the application of the ketogenic diet as metabolic medicine.
https://twitter.com/nicknorwitz
SHOW NOTES:
[9:49] What is the idea of a healthy diet for a day?
[13:05] The biggest factor in the obesity crisis.
[17:19] Which is more important: food or exercise?
[23:23] Are seed oils poison?
[29:08] Satiety Per Calorie concept.
[34:05] Is Nutrient Density scoring system going to work?
[50:41] Satiety Per Calorie scoring system complexity.
[1:13:50] Can the Diet Doctor resource scores be harmful for patients?
[1:19:20] What is the Carbohydrate Insulin Model?
[1:23:25] What all these models can not explain?
[1:32:36] Is it possible to create a scoring system that would be generalizable?
Studies:
[44:35]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30429127/
https://insight.jci.org/articles/view/128308
https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(22)00919-9.pdf
[1:17:00]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18805087/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23376733/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12672919/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17437143/
[1:24:11]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32666008/
[1:25:46] and [1:29:12]
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0002916522106167?via%3Dihub
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Hello everyone welcome back to Peak Human. We're doing things a little differently. |
| 0:17.0 | I'm going to just do a quick intro just about the guests, just about what we talk about |
| 0:21.0 | and then we'll move on to the show. Today my podcast is with |
| 0:24.2 | Dr Ted Naaman and Dr Nick Norwitz. We're doing a little friendly debate. They're both |
| 0:29.4 | great, both on the same page a lot, but it's really fun to get different opinions on things I think I'm going to do |
| 0:34.3 | more of these friendly debate episodes I want to get some vegans on I want to get people |
| 0:39.5 | of all sides letting them give their perspective talking it through I can be sort of in the |
| 0:45.5 | middle putting in my two cents trying to be unbiased trying to let each side |
| 0:50.0 | talk I think it's really fun and I don't think a lot of people are doing it and I think this would be fun to do more often. |
| 0:57.0 | So let me know what you think about it. |
| 0:59.0 | I'll tell you a little bit more about Dr. Ted Naeman. |
| 1:01.0 | People should know if right now he's been on my show many times. |
| 1:04.3 | He wrote the book, The P-to-E Diet. |
| 1:06.5 | He has a lot of the same philosophies that I do |
| 1:08.9 | about these high-level views of health, |
| 1:10.8 | why things are the way they are in the last, say, 100 years. |
| 1:14.5 | He's seen about 100,000 patients or more in his career as a family medicine doctor. |
| 1:20.1 | And he's learned a lot from that. |
| 1:21.7 | And I really respect his opinion, and I love all his work and his memes and his diagrams and a way he makes things simple to understand. |
| 1:29.0 | And we also have Nick Norwitz, who is a PhD and getting his MD he's got a PhD from Oxford getting his MD now at Harvard |
| 1:38.1 | Fancy, fancy schools. He's great. He's on Twitter a lot. He's actually helping me maybe publish a paper. He's doing a lot of cool stuff and has a little differing opinion and he has been going back and forth with Dr Ted Naman and some other people about some of these |
| 1:54.4 | concepts that we speak on today. Namely, so tidy per calorie is a big topic, which |
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