Part 1: James Cameron on Avatar Misconceptions, AI’s Skynet Moment, and His Elon Musk Friendship
The Town with Matthew Belloni
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🗓️ 24 November 2025
⏱️ 37 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | It is Monday, November 24th. There are a handful of upper, upper echelon filmmakers in Hollywood. |
| 0:06.5 | You know their names. I don't need to list them. And then there is James Cameron. |
| 0:10.7 | Avatar is still the highest grossing movie of all time at $2.9 billion. And with its |
| 0:15.8 | 2022 sequel in Titanic, Cameron has made three of the top five films of all time. |
| 0:21.6 | He doesn't make movies that often, but when he does, he's made some all-time classics |
| 0:25.6 | like Terminator, Terminator 2, Aliens, The Abyss, you know what he's made. |
| 0:29.6 | At the same time, he's become a technologist, an undersea explorer, an environmental activist, |
| 0:34.6 | and a filmmaker who, despite all his technological chops, including inventing |
| 0:38.4 | a lot of the technology he uses on the Avatar movies, he still grounds them in human performances. |
| 0:44.5 | It annoys him, and rightly so, when people refer to Avatar and his motion capture technique as |
| 0:49.1 | purely visual or CGI or animation or even AI, though he has a lot of thoughts on AI. And now he's back with Avatar Fire and Ash, which he delivered to Disney just about a week ago. I saw it, and of course I wanted to talk to Cameron before he starts his big press tour. So Craig and I went down to Avatar U.S. headquarters in Manhattan Beach last week and got him on the town early. We talked about a lot. |
| 1:11.5 | His exacting filmmaking process, how he works with actors, the cost of the avatar machine. |
| 1:16.5 | I believe he used the term fuck ton of money, why he's letting the audience under the hood for this |
| 1:21.3 | one. Plus his fears for the state of Hollywood and the world and the future of the kind of movies |
| 1:25.8 | he likes to make, even his friendship with Elon Musk. You may have discussed alien life forms a bit. I definitely told him to his face that he's famously difficult. And he talked about why he thinks David Ellison is the right buyer for Warner Brothers and why he's not a fan of Netflix, really not a fan. For a guest this big, we had to do a two-parter, a special treat for Thanksgiving, |
| 1:44.6 | plus a lightning round, and a good one. Today, it's James Cameron, the king of the world. |
| 1:48.9 | From the ringer and puck, I'm Matt Bellany, and this is the town. |
| 1:56.4 | All right, we are here with James Cameron, filmmaker, environmentalist, technologist. |
| 2:03.6 | Am I missing anything? International Man of Mystery? |
| 2:06.6 | Underwater Explorer? |
| 2:08.6 | I got to admit, I'm a little intimidated. |
| 2:10.6 | I don't get intimidated often with guests, but I've got the literal king of the world here. |
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