Part 1: Beyond The Balloon: Inside the Chinese-US Conflict with Josh Rogin - Mo News Conversation

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🗓️ 7 February 2023

⏱️ 47 minutes

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As we assess the fallout from the Chinese Spy Balloon drama, the Mo News podcast takes a step back and looks into the state of US-China relations with Washington Post Columnist Josh Rogin. In part one of Jill and Mosh’s conversation with Rogin, we talk about what China’s strategy was regarding the balloon and how it reflects the increasing tension between the two nations over the last few decades. We also talk about the ongoing conversation about Tik Tok and whether that presents a national security threat to Americans. Rogin has covered China issues for several decades, including breaking news on the Wuhan Lab in 2020, and has a new book out on the topic called “Chaos Under Heaven.” You can catch him on Twitter @joshrogin on all things foreign policy. Separately, he also has an Instagram account @watchtheramen devoted to his love of ramen and watches. This Week’s Sponsors: – Apostrophe - Only $5 For First Derm Visit + Medication Discount: Code: Monews – Athletic Greens – AG1 Powder + 1 year of free Vitamin D & 5 free travel packs – Boll & Branch Bedding & Sheets – 15% Off + Free Shipping | USE CODE: MONEWS – Please remember to subscribe to the podcast and leave us a review. – Mosheh Oinounou (@mosheh) is an Emmy and Murrow award-winning journalist. He has 20 years of experience at networks including Fox News, Bloomberg Television and CBS News, where he was the executive producer of the CBS Evening News and launched the network's 24 hour news channel. He founded the @mosheh Instagram news account in 2020 and the Mo News podcast and newsletter in 2022. Jill Wagner (@jillrwagner) is an Emmy and Murrow award- winning journalist. She's currently the Managing Editor of the Mo News newsletter and previously worked as a reporter for CBS News, Cheddar News, and News 12. She also co-founded the Need2Know newsletter, and has made it a goal to drop a Seinfeld reference into every Mo News podcast. Follow Mo News on all platforms: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mosheh/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mosheh Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/MoshehNews Snapchat: https://t.snapchat.com/pO9xpLY9 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/moshehnews TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mosheh

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0:00.0	Hey everybody, welcome back to the Mo news podcast. I'm Oshwanyu. We all watch the Chinese
0:09.3	spy balloon saga unfold over the last week. And Jill and I want to bring you some more
0:14.1	context on what the larger story is here. Today we present the first part of our interview
0:18.9	with Josh Rogan. He's a Washington Post columnist who has covered China for years, has some
0:23.4	incredible sources over there and has a book out on Chinese US relations during the Trump
0:29.0	administration. You may have seen him on CNN. You may have read him in the Washington Post
0:32.3	or Politico or none of the other publications. He worked for through the years. In this interview
0:36.7	today, we talked to Josh Rogan about what that balloon incident really tells us about the larger
0:42.0	US China relationship. It comes against the backdrop of 10 years at least of worsening relations.
0:47.6	And so I think all of you will get a lot out of this podcast edition, the larger story, the context,
0:53.0	the history, what you guys come here for. If you take away one thing, this is much larger
0:58.3	than just one balloon. You're watching the two biggest economies in the world, the two most
1:03.5	powerful countries in the world that are totally intertwined but have two completely different
1:08.5	political systems, different philosophies learn to manage one another while importantly,
1:13.9	avoiding war. So you'll get a lot out of today's podcast, I think, and then more out of part two
1:19.9	later this week. A reminder before we get started to review this podcast reviews really matter
1:24.9	in your podcast app. So really appreciate that. And follow or subscribe to the show in your
1:29.2	apps. You don't miss a single episode with that part one of our interview on all things China
1:34.8	with Josh Rogan. All right, all right. Josh Rogan is a friend of the Mo news podcast. He's
1:40.6	incredibly well sourced on all things China as a columnist for the Washington Post. He's also the
1:45.6	author of chaos under heaven, Trump G and the battle for the 21st century that came out in 2021.
1:52.8	Previously, Josh has covered foreign policy and national security for Bloomberg Newsweek,
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