Hi, I'm Ellie Anderson.

And I'm David Pena Guzman.

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David, have you seen the social dilemma?

I have not. Okay, everybody was hyping it up and I have to say, I actually ended up being disappointed. It was just like a bunch of

people, mostly white dudes being like, we had no idea what we were doing. We were all starting a

company from nothing with absolutely no sense

of the potential ethical ramifications around the globe. And I was like, okay, I get it. Maybe you guys

should have taken an ethics class at some point. But that's the thing about it. So I've known about

the social dilemma because as I've mentioned before, I live in San

Francisco where tech is just the bread and butter of the city. And it's the soylent of the city

because nobody eats bread and butter in San Francisco. But there is a sense in which the exclusion

of ethics, education out of the curriculum for technology is producing the situation where

techies often are finding down the road what they should have seen coming from a mile away.

And so I know that the social dilemma is now being touted as this example of ethical behavior

on the part of people inside the industry speaking out against the

industry, even though, as you say, it might be a little too late. At least it's happening, though.

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