Hey everybody! Today we have back one of our favorite regulars on the show,

Carrie Gellum, a veteran investigative journalist with more than 30 years experience

covering corporate news, including 17 years as senior correspondent with Reuters International

News Service. She is the author of whitewash, the story of a weed killer cancer and the

corruption of science. She's going to talk today, by the way, about Paracwat and Parkinson's

disease. And her book won the coveted Rachel Carson Book Award from the Society of Environmental

Journalists, I wish she was a member. Her second book, A Narrative Legal Thriller,

titled The Monsanto Papers, was released in March 1821 and we had Carrie on to talk about that

when she released it. She has contributed chapters for a textbook about environmental journalism

and a book about pesticides in Africa. She has testified also as an invited expert before

the European Parliament about research and was a featured speaker at the World Forum for

Democracy in Straussburg, France in 2019. She writes regularly for the Guardian and for the New

York Times, the host and others. Carrie helped launch an on-profit environmental news outlet called

The New Lead LED as a journalism initiative for the environmental working group. So welcome back

to the podcast, Carrie. Thanks, Bobby. I always love talking with you. Thank you for having me.

You're an amazing and we've been aligned for many, many years, many, many issues.

I was about Paracwat. I mean, when I was growing up, Paracwat was their herbicide of choice that the

United States government was spraying marijuana fields in Colombia and other countries as part of

the drug eradication program. And so if you were smoking pot in the 1970s or 1980s, the chances were

and probably 1990s that you were inhaling a lot of Paracwat and people were concerned about that.

But now Paracwat is used much like life-a-save issues. It's an herbicide that farmers used,

kill weeds and corn fields and others. And it's getting into our food. So will you talk about it?

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