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Hi this is Jane Garvey and this is the women's Our Parenting Podcast today you can hear a conversation with the comedian Jen Brista who's written a book called the other mother about her relationship with her partner Chloe and their IVF twins who are now just about to start school.

So you can hear the conversation with her now.

Two rounds of IVF, but there were three goes of sort of sticking it up there so to speak I'm sure that's not the

technical term it's not we're not a medical program I think most of our

listeners will know what you mean so it was actually Chloe who had the boys yes she did yeah and that's in a way that is the interesting thing

about your book which is written from the perspective of the other mother so just

tell us about that dynamic first of, how were you treated by the authorities with whom you necessarily come into contact at these times?

Well, we went, it was IVF, that's how we did it. And we went to two different clinics.

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