To be God's tool on site for the development of a human soul, I mean, every time I say that,

it just fills me with this sense of wonder at how huge that is. And I want to build a lifestyle

that prioritizes the significance of that. I want to build a lifestyle that prioritizes the significance of that.

I want to early introduce my children to the fact that they're not in the center of the world.

God is.

That the meta story is the story of God.

It's not the story of them.

Welcome to the Crossway podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week for thoughtful

interviews about the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life.

I'm Matt Tully, and today I'm talking with Paul Tripp.

Paul's a pastor, an author, and a conference speaker focused on connecting the transforming

power of Jesus Christ to everyday life.

He's the president of Paul Tripp Ministries

and the author of a number of bestselling books, including New Morning Mercies and Parenting,

14 gospel principles that can radically change your family. In our conversation today, Paul and I

discuss his and his wife's journey to parenthood, the most common questions

he gets asked about parenting, and how he came to view raising children as one of the most

significant, awe-inspiring things a person can do in life. Let's get started. Paul, thank you for

joining us on the Crossway podcast. It's great to be with you.

So your wife, Luella, and you have how many kids?

Four.

Four kids.

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