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🗓️ 15 April 2019
⏱️ 29 minutes
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0:00.0 | If all I have is, you know, a bunch of moral commands and Esops fables, and at the end of it all, there's a surprise Jesus, |
0:13.0 | that I'm really not understanding how the Old Testament is put together. |
0:17.0 | I at times have had people say, you know, I just don't believe what you teach about Jesus being in every verse of the Old Testament. And I'm saying, great, because I don't teach that. |
0:25.3 | And I don't know any wise scholar who actually does. |
0:29.4 | Welcome to the Crossway podcast, a show where we sit down with authors each week for thoughtful |
0:33.8 | interviews about the Bible, theology, church history, and the Christian life. |
0:38.7 | I'm Matt Tully, and today I'm talking with Brian Chapel. |
0:41.9 | Brian is the former president of Covenant Theological Seminary and currently serves as |
0:46.0 | senior pastor of Grace Presbyterian Church in Peoria, Illinois. |
0:50.8 | He's the host of the radio program Unlimited Grace, the author of numerous books, and the general editor of the ESV Gospel Transformation Study Bible. |
1:00.2 | In our conversation today, Brian and I discuss what it means and doesn't mean to read the Old Testament through a Christ-centered lens, while also respecting the original meaning of the biblical text. |
1:11.6 | He explains how the Old Testament really does point forward to the gospel, the good news that |
1:16.6 | God saves sinners through Israel's Messiah. Let's get started. |
1:23.5 | Brian, thank you so much for joining us on the Crossway podcast today. |
1:27.3 | You're welcome, Matt. Good to be with you. |
1:29.2 | A lot of our listeners, our pastors, a lot of people involved in ministry in some way. |
1:34.5 | Maybe they've been to seminary. Maybe they're just avid Bible studiers on their own. |
1:39.6 | And one of the things that I think we often struggle with is knowing how to read the Old Testament. |
1:45.3 | Why do you think it is that it's such a challenging thing for us to kind of figure out? |
1:50.8 | Well, I'm sure some of it is that we tend to read very atomistically. |
1:56.1 | We see a command, you shall not steal, and we say, well, what should I say about that? Well, I should |
2:01.6 | tell people not to steal. And since I've got the Bible verse that backs me up, what could be wrong |
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