This is probably worse than death.

A scenario where parents is being blocked from their child is absolute torture.

This could be as simple as you send a text message to your child for Chavez and there's no response.

This could be two years, three, five years of no contact.

This could be a situation where a grandparent hasn't met their grandchild and it's devastating for all parties involved. It's worse than death. They're always mourning what they feel they should have had and they never got. This is very difficult to mourn the loss of the child that's still out there in the world. Meet Tavia Blow and Hindi Herman. They work with families facing one of the most painful realities a parent can experience. Estrangement from their own child.

Sometimes it starts with a disagreement or a divorce.

Sometimes it's nothing more than a text message that never gets answered.

They see parents who haven't spoken to their children for years.

Grandparents who have never met their grandchildren and families trapped by silence and

confusion in a world changing faster than any generation before.

They are dealing with a crisis most people don't talk about, but far more families are living through that anyone realizes.

It almost feels like for most of these parents, a hostage situation. One day we were texting,

we just shared a beautiful Souda, and next day, nothing. How frequent is it that someone is

estranged from their child? One in eight families is experiencing estrangement.

No way. That's wild.

It affects the greatest of Brabium.

It affects community leaders.

No one's immune.

We're in an upside-down world with so much confusion.

Our kids are facing a much different world than we grew up in, and there's a lot of disconnect from parents to children.

It's as if you've disconnected their internet cable from the computer.

Before we get to anything in this episode, I just want to let you know that this podcast, this whole studio,

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