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Welcome to Talking Fed's one-on-One, deep-dive discussions with national figures

about the most fascinating and consequential issues defining our culture and shaping our lives.

I'm your host, Harry Littman.

Welcome to another Talking Fed's one-on-one.

There is lots of talk these days around the subject of pardons, President Biden's of his son, Hunter,

the possibility of a wholesale kind of set of prospective pardons or protective pardons.

We can talk about the name.

Trump's a vowel that he will from early on in office issue pardons of the one six marauders.

So I wanted to get a better fix on both the specifics and the general, and there's only one place to go. That would be

Kim Wellie. She's a professor at the University of Baltimore School of Law, and you may well have

seen her because she's a legal contributor for ABC, writes regularly for Politico, the Atlantic,

and the ballwork. But Kim was a former AUSA and also an associate independent council in the

Whitewater investigation. So has sort of rich and broad experience and author of many books as a

professor in the most recent being, Pardon Power, how the pardon system works and why. Kim, thanks a lot for being with us.

Thanks for inviting me, Harry. Happy to be here. Okay, you know, let's try to exploit your expertise a little

before cutting to the chase of the current issues. Where's the pardon power kind of emerge from?

Is it in every liberal democratic society? Is it always with

the executive? What's its core and origin? Its core and origin goes back to ancient Babylonian

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