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Andy, before the break, I was talking about the belief that's expressed by the debunkers

that people are just looking for fame and fortune when they come forward with strange

stories.

That is not your experience after interacting with the public for all these years, is it?

No, it isn't. I mean, one of the attempts I'm trying to make here was strange is to show that.

I'm not saying necessarily that the book has the biggest and the best and the most famous cases ever,

although it does refer to some of those,

the point that I'm trying to make is

this is what's happening all the time

to normal folk who don't have an axe to grind.

They don't want fame.

They didn't even know that anybody would even be interested

in their story until they met someone like me, say.

And that I think is a really important point.

So by gathering all these different testimonies and stories, what I'm trying to do is bind

a narrative together.

So it isn't just a book of staccato individual stories.

In the end, they begin to tell a story.

And of course, I analyze them and try to work out what's going on here. If the skeptics are wrong, what else could be going on here? But as the book goes on, you realize that this is just an ongoing part of our society, of our civilization, that we've covered in a very foolish way, in my view, and that if we actually

uncovered that and began to look at it, the implications for who we are as a species and what's

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