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Hello and welcome to Romania, the podcast that has to admit there is something worse than Brexit after all.

I'm Dorian Lansky, broadcasting from lockdown London and joining me this week are two of my favourite shut-ins.

Names Smith is CEO of Best of Britain and residents of the now strangely quiet London area of Pimpleco. Hi, Naomi, how are you?

I'm good. I'm all right. I'm better today. I think a bit like you, I've noticed you've been saying that one day you feel totally fine and then the next day it's all fear and anxiety and I'm having a good day today.

Well, Nigella lost and admitted on Saturday that she was up to 250 grams of chocolate at night. Have you had a therapeutic indulgence of vegan therapy?

Well, drooling over Nigella's Instagram feed is a pretty therapeutic indulgence in and of itself.

That and I've also been binge watching all 10 series of spooks on iPlayer and trying to decide who I love more. Nigella or Matthew McFadden.

And then in the Sunday Times, we can't, it was claimed that Dominic Cummings had referred to the government's initial strategy as, and this is a paraphrase, heard immunity, particularly economy and if a few pensioners died too bad.

That went, I can't say viral anymore, can I? That was very popular on Twitter on Sunday. We always knew Cummings was a wrong and do you think that he will sort of become the full guy for Johnson?

I think that the micro file advice has always end up being scapegoats for the boss.

I don't know that he'll fall and become a total full guy, but as someone prepared to hire eugenicists into his team, I do hope his star will now be somewhat in decline.

It really was an excellent bit of journalism. It was written by sort of lobby head boy Tim Shipman and the brilliant Caroline Wheeler.

And as haven't read it, I would encourage them to, it's called 10 days that shook Britain. And you get a real sense of the fragility of government decision making over the past couple of weeks throughout this crisis and not least that extreme vacillation from Cummings, from being in a position where he was advocating heard immunity, when experts were predicting 100,000 deaths to doing this 180 to full lockdown.

Once those experts revised the forecast to 250,000 deaths with mitigation or over half a million without scary stuff.

And this is the curse of the, curse of the paywall is that the Cummings bit got read by a zillion more people than the entire feature.

And of course, I remember some people saying, because of this eugenics connection that he was a kind of evil eugenicist who actively wanted people to die.

Do you feel like that he has become, and we've taught enough about him, but you think it is a bit of a sort of distraction and that sometimes we get a bit sort of personality-focused when actually there are a lot of moving parts here, a lot of different people offering different advice.

Yeah, I mean, you know, this isn't the government any of us would pick for dealing with a crisis and, you know, I think with Trump at the helm in the US.

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